Some Questions and answers on life on Atys and roleplaying
 

QUESTION 1)
How long is one year in real time? And one season in real time?

ANSWER
The equivalences ryzom time/real time are the following ones:
1 year of Jena (JY for Jena Year) = 2 real-time months
1 atysian cycle = 2,57 weeks = 18 real-time days
1 atysian season = 108 hours = 4,5 real-time days
1 atysian month = 36 hours = 1,5 real-time days
1 atysian week (6 days) = 432 minutes = 7 hours and 12 minutes
1 atysian day = 72 minutes = 1 hour and12 minutes

How long is a year of Jena, and what is an atysian cycle?
Only the year of Jena corresponds in the background to the earthly year. The periods of time as the seasons, months, weeks and days are four times shorter on Atys than on Earth. An Atysian season is four times shorter than a earthly season. The same thing for a day. That's why the cycle was created: this period of time corresponds to the common vision of the year (4 seasons, 12 months...), as a revolution of the planet around the sun.

Summary:
One year of Jena is constituted by 4 cycles, 16 seasons ( 4 spring-summer-autumn-winter successions), 48 months, 240 weeks and 1440 days.
An Atysien cycle is constituted by 4 seasons, 12 months, 60 weeks and 360 days.
Note that the year begins with spring.
Atysian days contain 24 hours. The number of minutes and seconds is identical to the earth system, but obviously, everything is four times shorter on Atys.

If we give the equivalences real time/Ryzom time, it is necessary to clarify the information above, or one year of Jena will be likened to a period of 12 Atysian months, while it lasts 48 Atysian months (but 12 ground months).

QUESTION 2)
About having children in a roleplay sense - is it possible to say that we have parents from different races in roleplaying?

ANSWER
To have children is possible between homins of two different races, but there will be no interbreeding of the racial physical characteristics, a race will take the step on the other one. So, Matis and Fyros can have children, and they will be of appearance Matis or Fyros.

Homins have a lifespan comparable to the human one.


QUESTION 3)
At release, we know that we were in year 2525. Are we getting older? Are we still in 2525? How old are our leaders to take an example? Did anything changed?

ANSWER
Yes, the time passes by on Atys, and homins ages. According to Ryzom time, the game started in 2525 (JY), what corresponds in mid-September on 2004 in the real time. By making a fast calculation, we are in 2530 ( JY).

Age of the sovereigns:
Yrkanis 48 years
Dexton 50 years
Mabreka 45 years
Still Wyler 52 years

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Thank you for sharing. I never counted hours or days. I just thought one season is about a week.

This is not only interessting for RP purposes, but also good to know for harvesters.

Do we have names for weekdays and months ? And is it possible to get the exakt ingame date for a specific RL date ? For example:

Saturday 13 august 2005 12:00 BST is like 7:00 sataday atygust 2530

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When the ig calender comes in, you'll find out ;)

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not possible, unless they change how the atys time works.
server side stall/lag/crash/reboot throws all calculations off (1 atys hour should be 3 min but in reality it's not, it's few milliseconds longer ;-)

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If i get a reference and if get it sorted out, i will try to write a little web application that shows a calendar and that shows when next season will start.

It would be helpful to know the ig date for a certain date and time in RL and it would be very helpful to know the exact RL date/time when a seasons starts next time. And i mean exact ;)

We would also be able to celebrate next new year at Thesos bar :D You know, with lots of tea and fireworks ;)

Well, if the ingame time stops while reboots and maintenance this project will not succeed.

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gl with that, it would be really helpful for pr diggers ;)
just dont forgot to make it easy to "sync" with atys every once in a while or after server crash/reboot.

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We tried to do this a couple of times. It required to be reset fairly often, even after the server reached a much more stable state. They didn't pick a real-time reference point for time calculations and server reboots or stalls causes our clock calculations to be off. Maybe they did this on purpose to reduce camping on seasonal spots.


If you do make an app that automatically adjusts itself, I'd be interested in it! :)
-Raku

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In the fankit is a php that shows how to check if a server is up or down. This may be a way. An ugly one, but a way :D Feel free to use it if you allready started to build a calendar ;)

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How can we submit more questions?

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I'm thinking of adding an Atys calendar to our site with a simple way for us to sync up the time each day with the game. For normal server stalls and such that cause the time to be off by only an atysian hour or two, we would just need to check if it was synced each night when we logged in by waiting for it to change from one hour to the next and making sure the site matched.

For longer downtime (patches, crashes, etc.) where the server is down for several Atysian days, it would require waiting for a seasonal change to ensure that the day of the year on the website calendar matched the in-game calendar. But even that shouldn't be too bad.

I'd just have it so certain "trusted" people could sync the web clock. As long as we have a handful of people that are checking it every so often, we should be able to make something that reasonably predicts when seasons will change, which tends to be what most are looking for.

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This sovles alot. I've studied the time on Atys but i always ended up stumped.Well with that done i can move onto more mysteries.Out of all the games i've played i've never seen a game with such deep roots.I bow to all of you.

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Bump. This thread is extremely useful.

Also, I'd like an answer to a related question, if possible. At what rate do homin children mature? Same as humans, or...? I mean, how fast do they grow, and approximately at what age (in Jena Years) would it be appropriate for a child to become a playable alt?

By this statement, I'm guessing homin children do mature at a rate similar to humans, therefore the initial age of a child alt would be 14-16...?

*wondering how soon I'm going to need to get a second account* :p

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Didn't you asked this before, Jel. Why not play your child alt when you want to, playing the appropriate age - given that you do remember their birthday? :)

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I just don't want to make an assumption, then turn out to be incorrect if/when the official information is released. XD

Problem with homin aging rate = human aging rate, is that it would take two RL years for a child to reach age 12 (1JY = 2 RL months). So I'm wondering if Nevrax has already established that homin children age faster than that, but just haven't said anything about it to us.

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Ooops, I hadn't read Shaddoweb's updated version relating JY to RL year, rather than Atys day to RL day.
Well at least that makes me younger than I thought I was :D

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This is great info. I always like to know how the game world relates to ours.

So if a Jena year is equivalent to an in-game Earth year, game time runs six times faster than real time (as is the case with most MMOs).

So Atys revolves around its star in just over 3 Earth months. So would that mean that Atys was closer to its sun than the Earth is (causing the planet to rotate around its sun faster) and the sun's emitted light was weaker (perhaps a white dwarf)? Or would it mean that the gravitational pull of the Atys sun was stronger, causing the planets to rotate around it faster at a greater distance?

Sorry, but I love to think through these tiny details.

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Since this thread is a sticky, and since this is definitely on topic, I feel the following belongs here:

NAMES OF THE DAYS
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On Atys there are six days per week:

Prima
Dua
Tria
Quarta
Quinteth
Holeth (day of graces whatever the religion)

NAMES OF THE MONTHS
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The seasons remain the same and are cut out by groups of three months:

Spring (month finishing by -ly)
Winderly
Germinally
Folially

Summer (month finishing by -is)
Floris
Medis
Thermis

Autumn (month finishing by -or)
Harvestor
Frutor
Fallenor

Winter (month finishing by -ia)
Pluvia
Mystia
Nivia

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...Does Atys revolve around its star at all? ;) Notice that the sun doesn't move in the sky, merely increases and decreases in intensity.

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To correct you slightly, a Jena Year is 72 RL days, so game time is just over 5 times faster than RL. Regarding Atys astronomy, beeryusa, I think you'll find this thread interesting : Names of the "moons". Particularly onwards from pr0ger's post on page 2.

Hehe *points up at Katriell's sig* But that's a different thread :D

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Interesting stuff. Now I'm going to have to spend some time looking at the sky and really trying to figure this stuff out.

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I took some time to check out the skies today. I noticed some things:

1. The sun appears to get brighter and dimmer with day and night. Day and night are a factor of this sun's apparent fluctuations in brightness, and not a factor of Atys's axial rotation.

2. The sun doesn't appear to move in the sky. The same side of Atys faces the sun all the time.

3The stars move quite quickly behind the sun, indicating that the sun is extremely small and close to Atys - either that or Atys is revolving around the sun extremely rapidly. But even if the latter was the case, Atys would still need to be extremely close to the sun in order to stay within its orbit. So Atys's star must be extremely small (smaller than Earth's moon) and very close to Atys (as close as Earth's moon). The speed at which the stars move indicates that, unlike Earth, the seasons have nothing to do with Atys's orientation to the sun. Instead they may be caused by seasonal heating and cooling of the sun (on a different - longer - schedule than its daily brightening and fading), long-term weather systems on Atys, internal heating and cooling of Atys's core, the influence of the ringed planet (this is a very good possibility), or some other factor.

4. The planet with the rings moves at a slightly different pace than the stars behind it. The rings are at almost 90 degrees to the plane of rotation of the stars. I will be interested to find out if the ringed planet obscures the sun or not. As it is, it should technically NOT obscure the sun, as it seems to me that the ringed planet must be a further distance away from Atys than the sun is. I.e. we're talking about a solar system where Atys and its tiny sun both rotate around a massive ringed giant.

Here's my theory:

Atys's sun is artificial - a sort of massive moon-sized fusion reactor set up by some super-high-tech race to make Atys habitable. Atys and this artificial sun revolve around each other as the Earth and its moon do. As our moon always faces the Earth so Atys always faces its sun. Atys and the sun both revolve around the ringed planet as the Earth and its moon revolve around the sun. The ringed planet (not the sun) causes summer and winter on Atys due to an elliptical orbit that causes Atys to be heated up when it gets nearer the ringed planet, just as Jupiter heats up its moons.

So Atys's star system is really a planetary system - perhaps it all orbits some distant black hole.

Anyway, this seems the most likely explanation to me.

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In another thread (http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthrea...410#post283410) Pr0ger wrote:

"The biggest and scariest fact is, if this observation is true, it means Atys makes a revolution around the sun in 24 hours and rotating on itself in 24 hours... wow how fast does atys moves then ??
I'll not detail here why, but i'm sure atys sun is smaller than our irl sun, so i think to have liquid water on atys, atys must be pretty close to the sun. some fast calculations shows that atys must move around the sun from 7000 to 10000 kilometers per seconds!! (earth is roughly 30 km/s around sun)..."

But this can't be the case. Unless Atys's star is extremely massive (too massive to be anything but a super-massive black hole) this would be impossible. A planet moving that fast would be flung out from the star unless it was extremely close, and if it was extremely close it would burn up or be torn apart by the star's gravity.

The only remaining possibility is the one I put forward above. The sun has to be extremely small and close, with lots of heat yet low gravity.

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Actually, Kibsword came up with the same theory in his earlier post here: (http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthrea...=21568&page=3). His number 2 theory is similar to mine.

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What about.. the sun rotating around itself, giving the illusion that atys goes faster around it than it actually does.

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What about...That's not the sun at all, but an extremely reflective "moon" or twin planet? The actual sun is positioned such that we can't see it directly, but it reflects off the twinned planet (or moon) intensely enough that we "perceive" that as the sun. Could be that the real sun is "above" us (polar-wise) making the sunward (northern?) hemisphere unlivable. The closer we get to the equator, the hotter it gets (hence the great expanse of desert in Fyros lands and the desert in the northern section of Matis lands).

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Why is this thread no longer stickied?

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Continuing on this toic, I think the sun was put there by the Karavan, before they made atys, and that it's actually a mechanical device.

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Most of us more or less came to that conclusion. Though there's no consensus over whether it's an artificially created star, a mirror satellite reflecting a real star, or a spaceship generating the energy itself.

There's multiple links to the Names of the Moons thread here, but I see nobody mentioned the Science of Atys thread yet. That one has many more speculations about Atys astronomy and biology.

You might find that an interesting read too :)

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reading both these threads i come to the conclusion this community is composed mainly of scientific geniuses ! :eek: im gobsmacked !

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Gobsmacked, while colorful, is not a scientific term. Please try to remain on topic.

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Err, while I admit to not having read many of the threads thus far, and being a total n00b in-game, isn't the obvious conclusion that Atys is the satellite of a large gas giant -- possibly even Saturn or Uranus (I don't have the tools to check the astronomical bodies visible from its surface, but it ought to be possible to figure out where in the galaxy Atys is, if it's within the Milky Way and the celestial bodies were appropriately placed) -- and the 'sun' is geostationary orbiting object? This seems to be in accord with game lore.

Most of the lore elements dealing with Jena and the Dragon then fall into place. Further speculation: Kami are, or were, servants of the Dragon, tasked with maintaining his world. Presumably both factions are lying... two questions of vital import to the inhabitants of the world being how autonomous the Kami are from whatever created them, and what Jena intends to do, exactly, with the devoted servants she 'saves' from the destruction of Atys.

Last speculation: The primitive tribes of Atys are either genetic experiments, severe and debilitating mutations from whatever force split humanity into the four tribes, or both.

Total n00b here, so don't laugh too hard if I've overlooked something obvious.

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Jessica Mulligan ftw. ;)

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it was the same in Da cause they have temurian time and all but it was SOOO much easier to understand lol :P I didnt get any of that at all lol could you try to explain that again more simply?