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katriell August 29th, 2008 10:42 PM

A speculative drawing of a homin craft mark
 
Go here.

If it seems logical, I'll turn it into a vector graphic.

So, feedback please.

kitty157 August 30th, 2008 12:49 AM

Re: A speculative drawing of a homin craft mark
 
Awesome idea! I love it!

acridiel August 30th, 2008 01:38 AM

Re: A speculative drawing of a homin craft mark
 
Hmhyes... nice Idea! :)

CU
Acridiel

alisa112 August 30th, 2008 02:01 AM

Re: A speculative drawing of a homin craft mark
 
Incredibly brilliant, as usual.

/bow

komissar August 30th, 2008 08:19 AM

Re: A speculative drawing of a homin craft mark
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by katriell
So, feedback please.


A brilliant idea Jel :)

I can propose creating individual pictograms for zorai crafters :)
Would be nice if we finally got the Matis text translated from french aswell...

katriell August 30th, 2008 08:39 AM

Re: A speculative drawing of a homin craft mark
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by komissar
I can propose creating individual pictograms for zorai crafters :)

Good idea. ^_^

ffxjosh August 30th, 2008 01:27 PM

Re: A speculative drawing of a homin craft mark
 
abosolutly amazing idea.

Personaly i would prefer something like

Outer Track:

Starting at the top and working clockwise (which is different to yours)

1 = Basic
2 = Fine
3 = Choice
4 = Exellent
5 = Supreme

Inner track
Starting at the top and working clockwise

The Q of the item (similir to yours) in Q10's

For example a Q9 wold have no inner filled, but a Q250 would have all filled.

Mainly becuase most crafters craft to a Q10 range.

however each block represents to the nearest Q10 so a Supreme Q250 would have everything colours in. A choice Q100 would have the 3 outer filled and 10 inner filled.

I really like your idea tho :D

// Anatti

sidusar August 30th, 2008 03:20 PM

Re: A speculative drawing of a homin craft mark
 
Oooh, I love the idea! :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by katriell
If it seems logical

No, it doesn't exactly seem logical. :p For one I'd put the circle end on the right side. For two I'd only color one outer segment (50+30=80) and not two (100+30=/=80). For three I'd make the inner icons represent either 1 or 5 or 10 Qlt, never 2. But such illogicalities do give the mark an appropriately exotic appearance. :D

Why would it only represent the 1-250 quality though? Why not the basic/fine/choice/exc/sup or the LQ/MQ/HQ?

I am intrigued by how variations of this mark could be made, as I'd fully expect every society to have their own slightly different version of it. For example, like this.

katriell August 30th, 2008 07:04 PM

Re: A speculative drawing of a homin craft mark
 
Ah, I'm liking how this thread is going now - critique and alternative ideas. :)

That design is very cool, Sidusar, as is the underlying concept of different societies having their own versions.

I don't understand why the circle end should be on the right side? I think of it as an arrow head. That said, "o------- Read me this way!" is really less lucid than "<------- Read me this way!" so maybe the "circle end" should be a trapezoid with the thin end leftmost.

Anatti's idea is more logical than mine, and the graphics Sidusar and I have drawn don't even need to be modified to implement it. So all I did is update the on-image documentation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidusar
Why would it only represent the 1-250 quality though? Why not the <snip because it's solved by Anatti> the LQ/MQ/HQ?

Because LQ/MQ/HQ is determined by looking at the item itself. :p

kitty157 August 31st, 2008 09:32 PM

Re: A speculative drawing of a homin craft mark
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by katriell
I don't understand why the circle end should be on the right side? I think of it as an arrow head. That said, "o------- Read me this way!" is really less lucid than "<------- Read me this way!" so maybe the "circle end" should be a trapezoid with the thin end leftmost.


Well, upon looking at it I saw the circle as an end point, not as something pointing. Kinda like the little bulb at the end of a thermometer.

acridiel September 1st, 2008 07:40 AM

Re: A speculative drawing of a homin craft mark
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by komissar
A brilliant idea Jel :)

I can propose creating individual pictograms for zorai crafters :)
Would be nice if we finally got the Matis text translated from french aswell...


Ooooh, what?
You got it translated already and its french? *LOL*
Could have guessed *headesk*

I´ll ask around to see who´ll translate ;)

CU
Acridiel

sidusar September 10th, 2008 10:19 PM

Re: A speculative drawing of a homin craft mark
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by katriell
I don't understand why the circle end should be on the right side? I think of it as an arrow head. That said, "o------- Read me this way!" is really less lucid than "<------- Read me this way!" so maybe the "circle end" should be a trapezoid with the thin end leftmost.

Ah, I thought of it as a zero point, a beginning. Kind of like the little bulb at the lowest end of a thermometer, yeah. But there's not really a circle end necessary at all, as long as 2 out of 5 outer segments are colored it gets the message across that it's fine. :)

I've been doodling some more variations in bored moments. Like square (Zoraï pictogram style), triangular (bit complicated but Fyros love their triangles) and swirly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by katriell
Because LQ/MQ/HQ is determined by looking at the item itself. :p

Yeah, true, I was mostly backing Anatti on needing a basic/fine/choice/exc/sup, and the LQ/MQ/HQ was just an afterthought. :p

katriell September 10th, 2008 11:20 PM

Re: A speculative drawing of a homin craft mark
 
I love those designs!

komissar September 11th, 2008 09:08 PM

Re: A speculative drawing of a homin craft mark
 
Swirly is a kind of matis-tryker mixture ;) while the other too racial designs are plain perfect :)

sidusar September 13th, 2008 09:19 PM

Re: A speculative drawing of a homin craft mark
 
:)

I thought of the Swirly as a Tryker mark, I just put a Matis 'signature' in there to show it can be mixed up. ;)

While the Zoraï have an obvious thing for squares, the Fyros for triangles, and the Tryker for circles, the Matis don't really seem to have a favorite shape. Maybe for them a more organic version of the pentagon? Or if you want to get really complicated, the flower.

(With a Tryker signature in it, yes. :p)

setstyle September 14th, 2008 05:31 AM

Re: A speculative drawing of a homin craft mark
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sidusar
Maybe for them a more organic version of the pentagon? Or if you want to get really complicated, the flower.


There we go, I'm really liking this one...
Cool work as always! :)

kitty157 September 14th, 2008 05:36 AM

Re: A speculative drawing of a homin craft mark
 
The Matis *would* make it overly complicated...

Awesome job!

fenerismoon September 14th, 2008 10:03 AM

Re: A speculative drawing of a homin craft mark
 
I like the concept of different designs for the different races... so what might be a example of the different signatures? Would Zorai use a squarish signature for example?

sidusar September 14th, 2008 06:26 PM

Re: A speculative drawing of a homin craft mark
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kitty157
The Matis *would* make it overly complicated...

Good point, they would! So would the Fyros. :p

As for the signatures, I assume they'd be based on what we can find ingame. The Zoraï have their pictograms all over the place, and the Matis have their writing on the wall, so plenty example for those. For the Fyros I only found a few symbols hidden away in a corner, just barely enough to get an idea of their style. And the closest thing to symbols the Tryker seem to have are their swirlies, but they might just be decorative. Then there's three Kami runes too; again just barely enough to get an idea of their style.

(Also, ding 1000 posts :D)

boroshi September 14th, 2008 07:11 PM

Re: A speculative drawing of a homin craft mark
 
If you're interested in examples of how stylistically depict Homin writing in the "Roman" alphabet (ie this one) then you can probably find some examples in the various subsections of the Goodies page on the mainsite. The webkits have fonts for each race, as well as some examples of ingame writing I think. :)

martl October 3rd, 2008 12:52 AM

Re: A speculative drawing of a homin craft mark
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sidusar
:)

I thought of the Swirly as a Tryker mark, I just put a Matis 'signature' in there to show it can be mixed up. ;)

While the Zoraï have an obvious thing for squares, the Fyros for triangles, and the Tryker for circles, the Matis don't really seem to have a favorite shape. Maybe for them a more organic version of the pentagon? Or if you want to get really complicated, the flower.

(With a Tryker signature in it, yes. :p)


The matis designs in game look a lot like "Jugendstil" Art Noveau to me. I can't draw, but maybe something like this or this can be inspirational?

sidusar October 5th, 2008 09:05 PM

Re: A speculative drawing of a homin craft mark
 
Hmmm, looks a bit Matis, a bit Fyros. :)

Thanks for the tip Boroshi! Found some Fyros graffiti in the webkit. And Owa pointed out to me there are in fact a few Tryker symbols to be found ingame. I think that's enough to get a pretty good idea of each races' style then. :)


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