Poll: Do you enjoy PvP

[akm72]

Originally Posted by seriel

I also think it's kinda interesting that this poll has almost consistantly shown 33% dislike pvp and 66% enjoy it.

Means nothing about PVP in SoR. I voted yes, because I play a lot of FPS and other non-persistent PVP games, but I would've voted no if it was specifically about pvp in persistent worlds between unbalanced factions.

[rundll32]

Originally Posted by mehanson

And what about all the people who disagree with YOUR ideas? Are we supposed to jsut shut up and go away because we happen to disgree with you?

NO! your supposed to shut up and stay out of pvp areas (of which there arent that many)

Its really not a difficult concept.

[sprite]

Originally Posted by mehanson

And what about all the people who disagree with YOUR ideas? Are we supposed to jsut shut up and go away because we happen to disgree with you?

They're not the ones who are posting huge vitriolic rants on the forums every time someone tries to RP with someone who doesn't like RP

Neither are you specifically of course, but I hope you get my point

[mehanson]

Originally Posted by sprite

They're not the ones who are posting huge vitriolic rants on the forums every time someone tries to RP with someone who doesn't like RP

Neither are you specifically of course, but I hope you get my point

RP does NOT equal PvP, nor does PvP equal RP. And that is NOT the thrust of this discussion or this poll.

The vitriolic rants I've seen in the past 9 months since I started playing this game seem pretty evenly spread between both sides of this discussion. Most of those SEEM to come from snot-nosed 12 year olds who can't put two non-swear words in a row together in an attempt to form a complete sentance. Of course, I don't know if they really are snot-nosed 12 year olds or not, but thats how they seem.

I've also seen a number of posts on both sides of the argument that seem well thought out and well presented.

On the other hand, there seems to be a persistant argument from the Pro-PvP people that non-PvP players don't have to participate in PvP. On the surface this is true, but it requires giving up ALL high-level game content. Now, how is that justified? Yes, it should be difficult to get to the high-level content, but how does that JUSTIFY requiring PvP in order to partake of that content?

[ajsuk]

I think you'll find we're using it as an example to things you can choose to take part in, or not, to get the message accross to the selfish ones.

[grimjim]

Originally Posted by seriel

I just want to know why you feel Nervax should cater to you, Grimjim?

I don't, I feel there shoudl be room for everyone through compromise. Unfortunately my opponents don't seem to feel the same way.

Competition Vs Cooperation again.

[rundll32]

Originally Posted by mehanson

RP does NOT equal PvP, nor does PvP equal RP. And that is NOT the thrust of this discussion or this poll.

A comparison wasnt made between the 2.

He was showing that you Roleplay and not everyone enjoys that - so we choose not to join in - we dont post about it on the forums - and demonise people who partake in it. We also do not tell you that you shouldnt be roleplaying just because we dont enjoy it.

Equally. We pvp - not everyone enjoys it - so you can choose not to join in. You dont have to post about it on the forums and demonise those of us who take part in it. Dont tell us not to pvp because you dont enjoy it.

[seriel]

Edit: This was in reply to "On the other hand, there seems to be a persistant argument from the Pro-PvP people that non-PvP players don't have to participate in PvP. On the surface this is true, but it requires giving up ALL high-level game content. Now, how is that justified? Yes, it should be difficult to get to the high-level content, but how does that JUSTIFY requiring PvP in order to partake of that content?" posted above

Also note that for disclaimer purposes the "you" mentioned in a generalized you, not any one particular person.

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Because at the moment the ONLY high level content IS PvP. And really is it even that? It isn't really content so much as "stuff to do at 250 besides farm."

Now I hope to god that won't always be the case, I really do. I really, really hope that after Spires they'll begin working on PvE stuff - and there's no reason not to once you put in a faction based pvp system. Let us also not forget that this thing called "The Ryzom Ring" exists... and what is this mysterous thing? It's the solution to everyone in ANY GAME that ries about no high level content. Now you can all sit down, shut up, crank up some good music, and write your own content for everyone to enjoy. So you can't even say that Nervax is ignoring people who don't like PvP. They're giving you something much better than new content, they're teaching you to make your own.

The simple fact is that if you don't like PvPing. Don't do it. Will you be bored and not get access to the same stuff as people who do PvP? For the moment yes, and I'll agree that isn't fair. But NO ONE is FORCING you to take part in something you don't enjoy. You make that sacrifice yourself because you want something. YOU make that decision to PvP EVEN though you don't like it. And YOU (not nesscarily you the person reading this) make the choice to get upset afterwords and vent your frustration on whoever killed you thereby ruining there fun. You're not the victim. You're the cause of the problems. You're doing things you don't want to do and then ruining the fun for people that do want to do them. People who PvP aren't ruining your fun, your fun was ruined before you even started.

So yes, I think all of you people who don't like PvP should just suck it up and stop trying to make it go away. It isn't going anywhere, and it isn't fair that they put in PvP as the only way to obtain some of the really cool high level items. They should have made PvP part of the release, but things don't always work out nicely. But now you all have the Ring coming, and if that doesn't solve the issue of content and stuff to do for people who don't like to PvP, I'm going to totally lose faith in humanity and create a race of super yubos to live out the rest of my days with.


Now granted, that doesn't solve the problem of people who PvP get cool items, but then again, you can always bargin/barter/buy/trade/beg for them off the PvPers. So it isn't like you CAN'T get them, you just don't want to humble yourself and put out an image that you don't feel really applies to you. I'm sure that shortly after R2 comes out it'll be used to make new Nervax content where you can get the same items you get from outposts.

So... yeah. Suck it up and stop forcing yourself to do things you don't like. And if you feel you must, don't take your frustrations out on the other players. Name calling and acting the sore loser and getting upset only ruins other people's fun - and you don't have that right. Relax already, your day will come "real soon (tm)"

[rundll32]

Originally Posted by grimjim

I don't, I feel there shoudl be room for everyone through compromise.

You telling us how to play is a funny way of compromising.

The compromise is - if you dont like RP - dont Roleplay. If you dont like PvP - dont PvP.

It really isnt rocket science.

[rundll32]

Originally Posted by seriel

YOU make that decision to PvP EVEN though you don't like it. And YOU (not nesscarily you the person reading this) make the choice to get upset afterwords and vent your frustration on whoever killed you thereby ruining there fun. You're not the victim. You're the cause of the problems. You're doing things you don't want to do and then ruining the fun for people that do want to do them. People who PvP aren't ruining your fun, your fun was ruined before you even started.

exactly - agree 200%.