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Old October 3rd, 2008, 10:41 AM   #1
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Cool [Closed] Innovate: replace the Chat tool with something tottaly different !

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You might be saying right now "What the hell is he talking about?" or something like "Way to complicated" or "Crazy?". But hold on, this easier then you think and by innovating, people, news and other companies will learn about it and talk about it. Be the first to do it !

I am talking about an innovation. Why not replace the current Chat tool we all use with a Virtual Reality engine?

Why ?
- You would be the first game company to do this. Seeing other people in it would create a more social feeling. People in the Chat usually spend more time just being there or asking a status and leave. So why not do it in a Virtual Reality engine and have fun too?
- Also, just by having something totaly different then everybody else, will attract new people and those people might actualy start playing the game.
- The word would get around the world about this, people would start talking about Ryzom, eventually go to the site and learn about the game to then try the game.
- You would be creating a dedicated Virtual World Grid dedicated to the community to help them in the same maner as the current chat tool but with a bonus. Trends into Virtual Reality Grids is growing alot since last year and will keep on growing.
- The idea is to get people curious about Ryzom. Once they get curious, they will want to find out what Ryzom is about. It is not to create a new product to have 100-500 people in it (the new Chat tool). Limit the population to 20-50.

Complicated ? NO !
A) The server hosting the Virtual Reality engine would have to be a different server then the game servers. The Virtual Reality server program can be something as simple as OpenSim from http://www.opensimulator.org and is FREE !!! Ok it is still in Beta testing but you can build a small Ryzom looking kind of world for 20-50 people. I know this tool because I am using it as a portfolio (I'm into Virtual Reality designs, or more like want to work in it). All you need besides OpenSim is MySql to have a better object management (remembers objects at each reboots or visits).

B) The users would be using something as simple as SecondLife which is also FREE (other client viewer are in the making) !!!

C) Designing the actual world where people would connect is not that complicated. Hey you could even have the community itself build it, why not ?

D) This can be done in Windows or even Linux (using mono v1.91).


So there you go. That is my far fetch idea to do something completly different then every other game companies out there to attract curious people to Ryzom.

It may not look like it but it is a marketing idea to attract new people !!! Innovation can be a marketing tool.


P.S.: if you do not want to have a server dedicated for this, you can always do it in SecondLife or another known community grid but there land is not free !


French version:
Vous vous dites probablement présentement "Mais de quoi il parle celui-la?" ou "trop compliqué à faire" ou même "il est fou ou quoi?". Attendez un peu, c'est beaucoup plus facile à faire que vous ne pensez et puis, en innovant, les gens, sites de nouvelles et autres compagnies vont en parler et générer des discussions. Alors, soyez les premiers à le faire !

Je parle de faire de l'innovation. Pourquoi ne pas remplacer l'outils courrant de Chat que nous utilisons tous par un engin de Réalité Virtuelle ?


Pourquoi ?
- Vous seriez la première compagnie de jeux à faire ceci. Voir d'autres gens y être à l'intérieur créerait un plus grand sentiment d'apartenance sociale. Habituellement, les gens dans le Chat courrant passe plus de temps à être tout simplement présent (AFK) ou pour rapidement demander un statut et partir tout de suite après. Alors pourquoi ne pas le faire dans une Réalité Virtuelle et avoir du fun ?
- Également, en ayant quelque chose de complètement différent que les autres, ceci va attirer du monde and ceux-ci pourrait potentiellement commencer à jouer Ryzom.
- La rumeure se propagerait sur la planète, les gens commenceraient à parler de Ryzom, éventuellment ils iraient sur le site et apprendraient l'existance du jeux pour ensuite y jouer.
- Vour céeriez un monde virtuelle (terme Grid) dédié à la communauté pour les aider de la même manière que l'outils de Chat actuel, mais avec un bonus. La tendence en Réalité Virtuelle s'agrandit constamment depuis l'année dernière and et va continuer à s'agrandir.
- L'idée est de piquer la curiausité des gens au sujet de Ryzom. Une fois rendu curieux, ils vont vouloir savoir c'est quoi Ryzom. Le but n'est pas de créer un nouveau produit pour contenir 100-500 personnes (dans ce nouvel outils de Chat). Nous devions limiter la population à 20-50.

Compliqué ? NON !
A) Le serveur qui va héberger cette Réalité Virtuelle devrait résider sur un serveur différent que les serveurs du jeux Ryzom. Le serveur responsable de la Réalité Virtuelle peux rouler quelque chose d'aussi simple que OpenSim de http://www.opensimulator.org et c'est GRATUIT !!! D'accord, c'est encore en mode Beta, mais vous pouvez quand même batir un monde virtuelle ressemblant à Ryzom pour 20-50 personnes. Je connais cet outils car je l'utilise comme portfolio (je suis dans la conception de Réalité Virtuelle, ou plutot je veux tranvailler dans ce domaine). Tout ce que vous avez ensuite besoin est MySql pour mieux gérer les objets (se rappeler les objects à chaque reboot ou visites).

B) Les utilisateurs peuvent utiliser un outils aussi simple que SecondLife qui est également gratuit (d'autres outils 'viewer' sont en construction).

C) Construire cette Réalité Virtuelle dans laquelle les gens s'y connecteraient n'est pas si compliqué. Vous pourriez même avori la communauté la construire eu-même, pourquoi pas ?

D) Ceci peux être fait en Windows ou même Linux (utilisant mono v1.91)


Alors c'était mon idée. Ceci est mon idée cherchée de loin pour faire quelque chose de complètement différent que tous les autres compagnies de jeux afin d'attirer la curiosité des gens au sujet de Ryzom.
Ça n'a pas l'aire de ça, mais c'est un outils de marketing pour attirer du monde nouveau !!! L'innovation peux devenir un outils de marketing.


N.B.: si vous ne voulez pas avoir de serveurs dédié à ceci, vous pouvez toujours utiliser SecondLife ou un Grid d'une communauté quelconque mais dans ces endroit le terrain n'est pas gratuit.

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Old October 3rd, 2008, 11:06 AM   #2
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Re: Innovate: replace the Chat tool with something tottaly different !

Version Anglaise:
I admit I am very attempted to do this one. Problem is my free time to do so. I have so many things I need to do and want to do.

I will think about it but might need help if I decide to do it.

Would it be a replica of Silan ?

If not, which place ?


The replication is limited in quality and in land size. We do not want to create a land too big. We want everyone to be in it withing a respectable 1024mx1024m or even a 512mx512m (default land is 256mx256m).


French version:
J'avoue que je suis très tenté de le faire. Le problème est le temps libre pour le faire. J'ai tellement de chose que j'ai besoin de faire ou voudrais faire.

Je vais y penser, mais j'aurais peut-être besoin d'aide pour le faire.

Serait-ce une réplique de Silan ?

Sinon, quelle autre place ?

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Old October 3rd, 2008, 05:46 PM   #3
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Re: Innovate: replace the Chat tool with something tottaly different !

Could consider using Google Lively for this one. People tend to love everything that has "Google" on it
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Old October 3rd, 2008, 07:18 PM   #4
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Re: Innovate: replace the Chat tool with something tottaly different !

I don't think replacing the support chat with a more elaborate tool is a very good idea - when you need support you don't want something fancy, you want something that works. If it isn't broken, don't fix it.


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Could consider using Google Lively for this one. People tend to love everything that has "Google" on it
I definitely don't, especially if and when it has to do with privacy.
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Old October 3rd, 2008, 07:48 PM   #5
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when you need support you don't want something fancy, you want something that works. If it isn't broken, don't fix it.
I absolutely agree with you, but you forget one thing: this is not about doing anything logical/useful, but about getting publicity. We want popular web media, like say Boing Boing, to have "online game Ryzom uses VR chat rooms" feature - anything that can introduce the word "Ryzom" to a wider audience.
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Old October 3rd, 2008, 10:33 PM   #6
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Re: Innovate: replace the Chat tool with something tottaly different !

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I absolutely agree with you, but you forget one thing: this is not about doing anything logical/useful, but about getting publicity. We want popular web media, like say Boing Boing, to have "online game Ryzom uses VR chat rooms" feature - anything that can introduce the word "Ryzom" to a wider audience.

Exactly my point. Thank you.
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Old October 5th, 2008, 12:54 AM   #7
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Re: Innovate: replace the Chat tool with something tottaly different !

Woohooo !!!!

Glad to see one of my ideas didn't get moved !


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Old October 5th, 2008, 01:28 AM   #8
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Re: Innovate: replace the Chat tool with something tottaly different !

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Could consider using Google Lively for this one. People tend to love everything that has "Google" on it

I did not personnaly used Lively but I have not heard good things about it.

Je n'ai personnellement pas utilisé Lively, mais je n'ai pas entendu de bonnes choses à son sujet.
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Question Re: Innovate: replace the Chat tool with something tottaly different !

Version Anglaise:
Thinking about it, I have one question to the Dev team. Just how much look-a-like would be tolerated in this Virtual Reality as to no go against the copyright or intellectual property laws ?

French version:
En y pensant un peu, j'ai une question à l'équipe des Dev. Juqu'à quelle limite la ressemblance serait tolérée dans cette Réalité Virtuelle pour ne pas aller contre le droit d'auteur ou la loi de propriété intellectuelle ?
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Old October 5th, 2008, 10:04 PM   #10
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Just to give you an idea on how much money is being spent into Virtual Reality. Check this out !

Over $350M invested into social games, VWs, casual MMOs & games
http://jussilaakkonen.wordpress.com/...al-mmos-games/
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