Understanding each other calmly (Neutrals, Kami, Karavan)

[grimjim]

Originally Posted by mithur

But, GJ says some post before about a neutral player can tag as neutral. I strongly disagree. Neutral aren't a faction, and never will be. Sure that the neutral who want make PvP must can do it, why don't? Allow him to tag as any of the two bands, kami or kara. But *never* as a third faction, because neutrals aren't a faction. If in a future appears a Trytonist faction, then will be a third flag, and for that time a lot of people (Who knows, maybe Grinjim himself) will be saying 'Hey, I don't like how the devs have implemented tryton, I wanna be neutral'.

That works too (the choice of flag thing) but there have been occasions prior where third party tagging would have been useful and would have made things more versatile. I can't see myself using it but there are neutral stances I can see using it. Since a tag is optional that's not too much of a problem.

That's why I envision a Trytonist implementation is just a 'core' to a broader neutral 'church', a justification for restoration of an effective neutral play experience, but without necessarily providing _all_ the hangups (or benefits) of a full faction.

Originally Posted by mithur

BTW, could be very good for economy; one of the thinks who could solve the dapper devaluation are the money sinks; another, the currency circulation... some guilds as mercenaries could make a highter currency circulation.

Well, we TRY :P

[norvic]

http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthrea...rythos+Babette

I wrote that after playing for nearly a year and Crythos had evolved and more than another year on it remains the same.

Basically it comes down to Tryker first Kara second and genocidal to no-one which make me nuetral to most things except those involving Tryker.

Been accused of being Kara by convenience but this is bunkum, been Kara long before EP2, TP rights, talk of spires. Faction allegence does not have to mean Zombie Zealot Status and my outlook has and will remain Nuetral to Most situations treating them on there own merits.

In the past I have argued with J on some issues, I read the box too, it said about factions at war, give me a definite issue like EP2 and I will fight by faction but when all I see is Homin created aggravation my outlook will remain largely nuetral.

edit: Did think about starting another thread "Why I choose Tryker" but I think this Thread is enough.

[tr808]

Originally Posted by dakhound

oh look someone with something on-topic and constructive to say.

maybe not eh!

I thought the topic was why are u neutral, not why neutrals need more acces, teleports and so on....... so i believe my reply is even more ON-TOPIC then ur flame towards me



Maybe u took the ego part a bit to personal?

[mrshad]

Originally Posted by grimjim

That's why I envision a Trytonist implementation is just a 'core' to a broader neutral 'church', a justification for restoration of an effective neutral play experience, but without necessarily providing _all_ the hangups (or benefits) of a full faction.

Isn't this 'perfection by very loose assosciation'?

A Trytonists party that really doesn't follow Tryton, or have to take the burdens for his shortcommings (whatever they might be)?

For every negative the Fictional Fuzzy Faction might have, you can maintain moral supieriority simply by saying "Yeah, I am part of the movement, but I don't believe all that." Yet, you would still want the faciton to offer fast transportation to high level areas.

You would gain everything you want, and loose nothing important to you with such a faciton. I don't see how it maintains balance.

[grimjim]

Originally Posted by mrshad

Isn't this 'perfection by very loose assosciation'?

A Trytonists party that really doesn't follow Tryton, or have to take the burdens for his shortcommings (whatever they might be)?

For every negative the Fictional Fuzzy Faction might have, you can maintain moral supieriority simply by saying "Yeah, I am part of the movement, but I don't believe all that." Yet, you would still want the faciton to offer fast transportation to high level areas.

You would gain everything you want, and loose nothing important to you with such a faciton. I don't see how it maintains balance.

The Hominist agenda of the Trytonists, as displayed, makes them a perfect way to restore some game functionality for everyone (even the people who are factioned) without forcing anyone to be anything particular. In certain cases - such as big events like the Temple war - a better developed third party does provide a cause with full slaps and bennies for those who want to use it. Those who don't have the downside of no story support, but don't end up having their gameplay satisfaction slapped down.

[akm72]

Originally Posted by moyaku

So I d like you Neutrals to explain to me why you decided to stay Neutral ;
- What does it add to your RP stance ?
- How come you feel like you can only go this way ?
- Had the lore have any impact on your decision ?

I make any decision about faction for IC reasons, so I have to answer twice for two different characters:

1/ Mioette was brought up as a typical Tryker; her family told her the stories about Jena and Tryton, and she accepted the Karavan as being servants of Jena. Though as any freedom-loving Tryker would, she didn’t approve of Karavan interference. ("...keep it under your bonnet but some say that Elias is none other than the husband of Jena, which makes him the holy Father, but don't mention it to the Karavan!", also "2486: Karavan and Matis pressurize Tryker council to push Kami alters away from residential zones.", "2496: Guild of Elias, portrayed as a sect against the church of Jena, is banned by Karavan.", "2498: Passage through Prime Roots made difficult by Karavan surveillance." and "2506: Nimby steps in line with Matis initiatives to reinforce measures ensuring adherence to Karavan teachings."...).
She never had any belief in the Kami, though the lore makes it plain that both the Corsairs and Fyros are both good friends of Trykers, yet both are allied to the Kami. So she sees no threat from that quarter.
So when we hear that Jena wants to wipe out the Kami because Ma-Duk is ill and will need to devour homin souls in some way as a result, Mioette looks around for some evidence, and finds none. This makes it look far more like a excuse by the Karavan to increase their power over hominkind, than a genuine grevance. It is not in Tryker interests to try and wipe out an entire race to support a power grab by someone else. But if Jena turns up at some point in the future and provides proof that Ma Duk IS a threat to homins, then Mio will fight on their side.

- What does it add to your RP stance ?

It is the only possible route I could take this character.

- How come you feel like you can only go this way ?

Because it is, unless I go against core Tryker values and interests.

- Had the lore have any impact on your decision ?

My decision was based entirely on the lore.


2/ Slythe was always intended to be cynical where gods or politics are concerned, and was always going to choose the easiest or most profitable route. At this time there appears to be little reason for him to choose to follow either faction, but if he does it would be reluctantly. If asked, he would recommend to anyone that they side with the faction most likely to win, or if that isn't acceptable, to leave the new lands altogether.

- What does it add to your RP stance ?

It is a major part of this characters RP stance, but I can't say it "adds" anything at all.

- How come you feel like you can only go this way ?

This character was always intended to be neutral.

- Had the lore have any impact on your decision ?

Nothing at all for this character, other than the lore about Fyros tending towards skepticism and being a practical, down to earth type of people.

Originally Posted by pero

Also there is no death, combat is like playing a full contact sport.

I disagree with this RP stance. Just because the Kami and Karavan operate a particularly efficient ambulance service doesn't mean that NPCs aren’t being permanently killed during the fighting, nor that hitting your opponent during a battle doesn't hurt them, nor in fact that you aren’t TRYING to kill and hurt them.