A Possible Third Group (Faction ?)

[tr808]

nice how u guys make a wonderful interesting thread way to off topic ....

[bgraz]

Originally Posted by tr808

nice how u guys make a wonderful interesting thread way to off topic ....

when they start giving us something more to do IG then you wont see as much of this

[tigrus]

Originally Posted by tr808

nice how u guys make a wonderful interesting thread way to off topic ....

When he stops asking for things for neutrals in EVERY SINGLE POST and bashing pvpers, il stop being rude

[grimjim]

Originally Posted by tigrus

When he stops asking for things for neutrals in EVERY SINGLE POST and bashing pvpers, il stop being rude

When some gameplay function is restored and the people who've all but destroyed the game aren't catered too so much, or when they stop being bashworthy, that'll happen.

So if you don't like it, campaign for my side

[tigrus]

Originally Posted by grimjim

the people who've all but destroyed the game aren't catered too so much

You know, Im gonna say it straight out what everyone is thinking Jyudas.
YOUR A FOOL!
PvP draws people to online games, because its in HUMAN NATURE that they want to be BETTER then others.
Arguing about it is stupid, its like saying communism is perfect, WHICH I COULD AGREE WITH, its a perfect IDEA. But because of human nature, its impossible.
You are trying to argue with human nature Jyudas. Without PvP, the game would MOST LIGHTLY not exist, and i know shitloads that wont try it BECAUSE the pvp here isnt that active, and more that left because of it.

Jyudas, stop trying to think your so damn good ok?
Because your nothing but a whiny fool. NOTHING!
I know its harsh, coming from a 18 year old. But stop bashing on pvpers in every post you make, stop demanding things for neutrals, and start having some fun or find another game.

Jyudas, you know Vanguard? It wasnt supposed to have pvp for at least a year after launch.
So it didnt get enough pre-order customers, and guess what?
They opened a few pvp servers, and whoops, suddenly they had enough customers?

Im willing to bet that you are a socialist or a communist in real life Jyudas.
So stop living in your little fantasy world.

[aardnebb]

Originally Posted by tigrus

Im willing to bet that you are a socialist or a communist in real life Jyudas.
So stop living in your little fantasy world.

ok, I was gonna ignore the rantings of microkitten but...

ROFL! And I bet you think Bush has some real good ideas.

[tigrus]

Originally Posted by aardnebb

ok, I was gonna ignore the rantings of microkitten but...

ROFL! And I bet you think Bush has some real good ideas.

Nope, Bush is a idiot imho.
But communism and Socialism can never succeed, due to human nature.
If it could, i'd be all for it.

Oh, and Microkitten! LOL!!!! that made me laugh dude
Take care Z

[aardnebb]

No "pure" economic/political system can endure indefinately due to human nature. Wether it be capitalist, communist, theocracies, dictatorships...

Most societies are founded on compromise. The British society is primarily democratic/capitalist system with socialist tendancies (the NHS for example). Ryzom at present has a primarily Factioned/PvPer focus. The disadvantaged groups of neutrals/non-PvPers are attempting to survive as best they can, some by assimilation ("Factioned for the TPs"), some by objecting verbally, and others simply by trying to ignore it as best they can. Others are emigrating (unsubscribing).

Since this is an evolving game everyone wants it to develop the way they prefer. And the disadvantaged groups are asking for it to balance things out a little. Wether loudly here on the forums, or quietly in the form of suggestion tickets.

Either way, Gameforge is no doubt watching...

[turjake]

Originally Posted by tigrus

Arguing about it is stupid, its like saying communism is perfect, WHICH I COULD AGREE WITH, its a perfect IDEA. But because of human nature, its impossible.
You are trying to argue with human nature Jyudas. Without PvP, the game would MOST LIGHTLY not exist, and i know shitloads that wont try it BECAUSE the pvp here isnt that active, and more that left because of it.

Well, miss Microkitty, I've been in guilds in which every member could kill you in real life without remorse, and despite of that the guilds were very peaceful in nature, only PvPing within very strictly limited rules of engagement etc. Factions and PvP (which atm is mandatory due rewarding system) have practically killed this game and community. If you read my first sentence in there carefully you might realize I'm not against PvP as such, but the present system imposed upon players in Ryzom is *bad*. Ever thought that MMO(RPG)'s could give you a chance to act against your base nature?

Originally Posted by tigrus

Jyudas, you know Vanguard? It wasnt supposed to have pvp for at least a year after launch.
So it didnt get enough pre-order customers, and guess what?
They opened a few pvp servers, and whoops, suddenly they had enough customers?

And wrong again, no sweets for you this time either kiddo. At the beta servers the the ratio between PvP'ers and non PvPers is about 1:8 - and that's general trend in MMORPG's - Games based purely on PvP, like some of the MMO's are of course different. Rabid PvP'ers, like roleplayers are minority group - and almost every game has made the wise move of making PvP, or RP for that matter, servers separate - bit like jails or mental institutions here in the real life - draw your own conclusions from that...

"Opened a few PvP servers" - they will open one in US and one in Europe, hehe, at launch - in the beta there is one and it's never full :P.

Vanguard never was dependent upon PvP crowd, but they decided to cater it. So if you're going to make generalizations, base them upon facts, not the usual PvP 133t kid whiner jargon. The amount of PvP people who left Ryzom this far is extremely small compared to the amount of people from the other playergroups that are gone.

[tigrus]

Originally Posted by turjake

Well, miss Microkitty, I've been in guilds in which every member could kill you in real life without remorse,

Uh huh.

Originally Posted by turjake

And wrong again, no sweets for you this time either kiddo. At the beta servers the the ratio between PvP'ers and non PvPers is about 1:8 - and that's general trend in MMORPG's - Games based purely on PvP, like some of the MMO's are of course different.

You mean like EQ2 Where the pvp servers are the most populated? Or WoW where the pvp servers are most populated?
Or EVE perhaps?

Originally Posted by turjake

"Opened a few PvP servers" - they will open one in US and one in Europe, hehe, at launch - in the beta there is one and it's never full :P.

Vanguard never was dependent upon PvP crowd, but they decided to cater it. So if you're going to make generalizations, base them upon facts, not the usual PvP 133t kid whiner jargon. The amount of PvP people who left Ryzom this far is extremely small compared to the amount of people from the other playergroups that are gone.

So your saying that it WAS NOT SAID that Vanguard wouldnt have pvp for at least a year?
And that THEY ARE ALREADY running out of money, which is why they are releasing the game to early. (that was said in other words though, but indirectly, what they were saying).
Because both of these are known facts.

Now, If they are already runnin out of money, WITH the pvp crowd paying too.
Where would they be WITHOUT the pvp crowd?

Dont come here and play clever, im not harassing anyone here.
Im just sick of JYUDAS bashing pvpers in every single post he makes.



oh and btw, there are SEVERAL pvp servers in beta isnt there?