So what now? Assault Arispotle?

[raven41]

lol! hope not all the cho people come with this attitude, I'll ignore the weirdo comment, as that is a generalization, and generalizations are more often then not, stupid, and largely untrue, But I will say, Good luck, to you and all those from cho like you,I think you might be in for an interesting ride with that attitude.


As for the other cho peeps with a more open and less generalizing point of view, Hope to meet and play with you all soon, And good luck on your transition ... If need help with something send me a /tell, And I'll do what I can

[xfluffee]

Originally Posted by zerlatik

This is what we have built on Cho, a community where when someone needs help, we do so.

This is a very good thing. And I agree that it is hard, coming from that kind of environment, to believe you will experience the same kind of thing in a different environment around different people.

Now to the reality. GF has said the population of Cho was not sufficient for the last event that was held on Arispotle. That leads me to believe that the population on Cho NEEDS to unite together, regardless of faction or race.

Arispotle has a larger population, which also includes everything that a larger population would bring. It may surprise you to find that, lo and behold, there are many people of both factions that help each other out. Each of the factions on Arispotle are large enough to stand on their own. Many of the guilds on Arispotle are large enough to stand on their own without external assistance.

Cho is not the default server choice for English-speaking players. People new to a game likely pick the default choice if one is given. That is the largest reason I picked Arispotle, and it is likely the same reason others chose Arispotle. A secondary reason is that I heard there were more people on Arispotle. More people means more variety of people is likely to be present, more likely for there to be someone around who can answer a call for help or answer a question, and more likely to find a personality or two that matches your own.

Any community, when they are small and everyone knows everyone (or when persecuted), can work together much easier than a larger community. As numbers increase, more personality types appear, it becomes hard for everyone to know everone else, and smaller cliques begin to form. It's the same difference between going to a small school or university compared going to a large school or university.

What you see on Arispotle is what you'd see on Cho if the population increased to comparable sizes and server choice was truly random for new players. I agree that it sucks, but people suck sometimes. There are things the Arispotle community can and should do about it, and there are things GF can and should do about it. Just because they play on the Cho server doesn't mean they don't suck.

Originally Posted by zerlatik

I'm not singling you out for verbal abuse here, I'm preparing.

Um, oki, if you say so.

Naturally, you do realize that given the fact that there -are- hotheads (on both servers) who actively post in the forums, that you are stirring up a nest of bees with your post? If you were, in fact, preparing as you so indicate, then it would really only concern the population of Cho and not necessarily something you'd want to use to try to start a flame-fest.

So, forgive me if I think you're full of (something) with that last bit.


For those moving from Cho to Arispotle, what you will have initially on Arispotle is what you bring with you. Attitude, cooperation, friendships, enemies, anything and everything. Most people seem to be willing to welcome you with open arms, many of them having experienced a similar migration themselves. I wouldn't expect attitudes such as what you display (or from others on Cho, if what you say about /uni is true) will be very welcomed on Arispotle.

And be sure that your community that you bring with you is large enough to stand on its own on Arispotle before you try to become a third faction. Burning bridges before you even cross them is ... bad.

[vguerin]

Originally Posted by zerlatik

I've witnessed Karavan guilds railing against other Karavan guilds for taking their OPs, I've watched you rip each other to shreds in these forums over the smallest matters.

This has never happened in anger, not once, yet YOU have witnessed it on Aris ? There are guilds playing Kami and preaching Karavan who are not officilly in a bigger alliances and choose who to side with based on the blowing winds. There is alot at stake, it's okay to be scared...

Don't be disappointed to find Aris doesn't play quite like you hear in the forums... they never has been a true state of affairs on the server. Except when we have a common goal, like the kitin... Aristople rocks when we aint politickin'...

[tigrus]

Okay, Highlight of Arispotle here.
Also king of the Universe, Alpha and The Omega, larger then life a living legend etc.



Now that thats settled, Who in the hell might you be?
You think we are twats and idiots?

Why dont you come over here and fight be to back that up?
Why dont you come over and talk to me?
You think you can take our OPs? ha, dont make me laugh.


Come prove it, that is a challenge.

[d29565]

Sunce, i believe from my cho friends i have spoken with, that many of them want just the opposite of that.

omg, i now know why everyone is ticked off about the merge. You'll have to deal with Sunce now too *cries* I feel for you really, and it's annoying having him on ignore..because then you wonder if he's talking about you, or who everyone else in kami chat is talking to.

And what happens when you want to use EFD's services? Why, you have to contact sunce. So, now that I realize why all you 'choians' are upset, i can finally cry with you


(almost kidding Sunce )

[dakhound]

I feel their pain keiko :P

[mugendo]

Originally Posted by zerlatik

You are perfectly welcome not to be nice to me, I expect nothing less.
I think you are going to be so upset on so many levels, let me elaborate

I don't think any of the three of you quite understand how the situation looks to us, so I'll attempt to enlighten you.

On Cho, when we take an OP, everyone shows up. I mean everyone. If you can swing a hammer, you're there. Karavan or Kami does not matter, you help because you can. When Lost Valley Stronghold finally fell, every player on Cho over lvl 100 with Zora access online was gleefully hacking, nuking, or healing away in Void. This is what we have built on Cho, a community where when someone needs help, we do so. We give away armor, weapons, cats, etc. Helping someone else puts another healer, crafter, or digger on the map, someone that will no doubt be more than willing to help us later on when we need it.
I do not participate in the OP battles myself, but I have watched players taking meks loaded with Ammo and weapons to share to a fight. Every player I have met has always stopped to talk with me, offered to help...When I see a 'newbie' hunting in an area I am digging I 'tag' and watch them as they run about, This allows me to locate them quickly when/if they call for a rez...In fact I get frustrated when they respawn and don't wait for the timer because they assume there is nobody there to help.

Now, let's look at how you've portrayed Arispotle to us over the last few months...

Most recently, we have mugendo's thread over here: http://forums.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29789
Which pretty much starts out saying Cho is nothing more than needless competition.
Pease re-read the post. You will see I am commenting on factual events with my interpretation...just as you have in this post I am replying to.....and I am sure you must agree your post is more contentious and hostile ?

No, Cho was the "frontier" to Arispotle's "city". We chose to live here because of the challenge and the lack of players, not in spite of them. Saying that we only existed to be a pale shadow of Arispotle and attempt to recreate that server does every player on Cho a disservice by belittling everything we've managed to build on that frontier.
You may be surprised to find among the frontiers people of Cho many Arispotle refugees, They left the Aris server for reasons best known to themselves. But I know for a fact many of them will be annoyed and frustrated at having the time investment of Cho deleted


Secondly, nearly every player on Cho has at least attempted to make an alt on Arispotle, after all, it costs us absolutely nothing to start a newbie there. I've sampled your Silan in depth over the last month or so before I even knew the server was closing. I've met all your newbies and alt chars, I've read your uni chat. You've been judged, and you were found lacking.
I hope that those players who did make an alt found at least a courtesy greeting and an offer of help, before the obligatory 'wanna join my guild' question. And I understand your point, I visit many nice places around the world, but my home is the most beautiful place...because my friends are there, I underdstand how the area reacts to events,..but I know that anybody arriving will not 'see' it, or 'dislike' it, as it is a non descript little town ....but I am not offended or upset that they judge it.

Yes, Arispotle is more than Ruins of Silan, and looking at the free account holders is no way to judge a server. But realize that you are your own PR department, and we read your threads on a regular basis. Trust me, for every good thread I've found about Arispotle, I have to read something like this:
http://forums.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28981
Dude, you guys slay non-combatants, how screwed up is your server? I've witnessed Karavan guilds railing against other Karavan guilds for taking their OPs, I've watched you rip each other to shreds in these forums over the smallest matters. My take on Arispotle is that you're a bunch of rabid dogs, and I'm being force marched into this mess with the rest of Cho. I'm not singling you out for verbal abuse here, I'm preparing.

Yes there are PvP 'issues' that create 'forum drama', but I have never seen this translate into game hate.....and the 'drama queens' of the forum (me included) are not the ogres, uncompromising, ignorant posters you are expecting when you login...we are Homin helping others ingame.

By no means am I doing this alone, either. I'm watching good people like Crazod and Dragan up and quit the game rather than be dumped in with you. Those three suggestions above that have you all so worked up? They're not mine. That's Cho /uni from around 11 PM MST 2-3 days ago. I'm not asking people from Cho to respond to new options, I'm trying to get clarification on which option we decided to go with.
If you do decide to enter Aris, I hope I have demonstrated you will be very dissapointed...............in your expectations

Whatever decision you make, I understand that you are losing 'your' land, but don't take your frustration out on the players there....that is what Marjo is for

[d29565]

Originally Posted by mugendo

Yes there are PvP 'issues' that create 'forum drama', but I have never seen this translate into game hate.....and the 'drama queens' of the forum (me included) are not the ogres, uncompromising, ignorant posters you are expecting when you login...we are Homin helping others ingame.

I agree here 98%. Forums always, always, always sound 10 times worse than they are. For example, Jayce and Doubletap (first names that come to mind here) sound like they'd be horrible to even pass in game, but I've seen them helping newbies and 'oldbies' multiple times. Really, things aren't like they are here on the forums. Most people are frustrated by work or school when posting here, and haven't had time to relax at home yet

[tigrus]

Im an ass ingame too Keiko, dont even try to convince them otherwise...
If you do, Your lying.

[meloner]

welcome to HELL, zerlatik !

Muahahahaha ! Here on Arispotle we are ALL a**sholes !

I mean c'mon ! I understand you're angry at leaving the server u care for so much. But that is no reason to use that anger to attack and portray Arispotle as u did and back it up with a couple threads (and one of them is over 2 months old). U found a speck of dust and used that to call us dirty. And while you try to convince yourselves of your Arispotle cliché, pple r actually preparing you a warm welcome